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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 16, 2016 20:26:01 GMT
Me Dads just asked me the following question!!!! Have Bolton played today? ? And the really funny thing is, he genuinely meant it. "Naaar Dad, they got on the coach and headed down to Nottingham, but after that!!! RESIGN LENNON... Oh, by the way, that's not an encouraging vote of confidence to Terry and Trevor to RE SIGN Lennon for next season, just get rid now
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2016 22:12:28 GMT
He wont go because he won't get any money so we have to sack him and we ain't got any money. As funny as this may sound we are still close enough to beat the drop with a new man in charge till the end of the season thoughts anyone ?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 16, 2016 23:45:00 GMT
He wont go because he won't get any money so we have to sack him and we ain't got any money. As funny as this may sound we are still close enough to beat the drop with a new man in charge till the end of the season thoughts anyone ? Problem is Chip, you can throw in some good 'out of work' names but we're that skint, we can't take them on Names like Moyes, Pearson, Curbishley, Lee Clark, Phil Brown etc But If there was a boss who'd join despite our cash plight AND get us to safety, it's probably Warnock
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Post by andyl on Jan 17, 2016 9:56:09 GMT
So Neil blames: individual errors,;losing the ball in possession to start a counter attack; Wheater's failure to step in on the halfway line; failure to close down a cross ;and Moxey not going with the header of the 2nd
No thought then for setting the team up with two wide players, a reduced midfield,two slow paced centre halves.No thought that we have conceded and had near misses on the same counter attacking runs in almost every game and commonly in first halves!! OK teams may have to take risks late in games but as a routine from the off!Neil is more Coyle than Coyle was in this respect!! Has he not watched Dervite and Wheater in harness. does he not know how slow they are and how clumsy and soft Dervite is( even if but for his first moments he did ok yesterday)
On the 2nd goal Wheater came all the way out to Dervite's side and didn't stop a cross. But where was Dervite?Where was Holding?
And if you have no strikers and just the ineffectual Madine lollloping about making half challenges what's the point of having two wingers..
In this game (see above) Silva (who admittedly started their first two counter attacks )and Feeney both did pretty well most of the time.One reason for that was that Trotter was clipping firmly hit passes to them and giving them time to get going.Feeney made one odd move inside and left Holding overrun causing him to be surrounded and dispossessed in the first half when a pass up the line was on but otherwise beat his man every time pretty much and hit some reasonable crosses for him..but of course Madine was not within a country mile
I have watched the same game many times over.I cannot for the life of me see why Neil,certainly away from home has not scrapped the wingers or at least one,played at least one quicker player upfront(Woolery looks a possible and strung five across midfield or more regularly planted two holding players and recognising his striking limitations made it very difficult for opponents to score rather than presenting them with counter attacks game after game.Yesterday even the 3rd goal was a counterattack after Pratley in a right foot shooting position on the edge of their box inexplicably moved left into trouble and lost the ball.
OK Amos made a horrible mistake one of several in recent months.His confidence is shot to pieces. We learnt yesterday that Rachubka might just play a part.I doubt he will fit the bill long term but to give Amos a break why not? If Amos carries on like this his career will be over before it begins!!And we all saw last year that on form and confident he can be good?Goalkeeping coaches?
And Wheater now lost to us made two gaffes yesterday but he is in credit and should not draw blame away for a whole season-chunks of which he was injured for anyway!
The one who needs to be accountable is Neil for setting the team up week after week in this crazy way making us so so vulnerable to counter attacks when our midfield is so slow, Yesterday we started with Trotter advanced. He played a lot better when looking forward at the game after Vela was withdrawn
and just as one final shot he lamented our running out of steam OK we had ten had used two subs and would risk 9 with further injury but why not give Woolery at lest ten minutes maybe 15. I'd hazard that if Wheater had not been injured we'd have still made our 2nd sub in the 90th and left Davies and Spearing on the bench as by default we did yesterday
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Post by andyl on Jan 17, 2016 10:33:35 GMT
And as one post whinge. What's this about Derik being 'off the boil'
Who took him off the stove? Yesterday no Derik.No Twardzik. Both are young.Both have made gaffes. But both also have showed composure balance and touches of class. Derik is quite quick covering. Twardzik offered that lovely deft headed goal at Derby and one excellent back tackle in the moments allowed this year. How on earth are they not preferred to the likes of Dobbie on the bench and maybe even some of the players
Yesterday all Trotter's critics would have had plenty of fuel for continued loathing.. But I'd like to think his mazy dribble,his skilful pass completions,firm forward passes often,and one superb turn and clearance would have impressed most perhaps all except inveterate Trotter haters. So surely these others deserve their time at seven points adrift
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Post by davidm on Jan 17, 2016 10:41:07 GMT
No thought then for setting the team up with two wide players, a reduced midfield,two slow paced centre halves.No thought that we have conceded and had near misses on the same counter attacking runs in almost every game and commonly in first halves!! He has done this all season and we have failed miserably. I have probably been one of his strongest supporters through all this shambles but I now have to concede that he has no tactical nous. His style of play/the way he sets up the team is naive. Owen Coyle had a naive way of playing with his desire to play 10 wingers but this season's tactics are dire. I agree, Andy, there is nothing wrong with playing tighter away from home - make the opponents work for their opportunities. One other comment - there is a bit of talk about us playing reasonably well after the first 20 minutes. Of course we did - we were playing a Dougie Freedman side. Once he was 2-0 up, Freedman's negativity then comes into play. He lets the opponents have the ball and settles for what he has got. And, of course, he won the match. It is of little benefit to us fans to hear how well we played at Sheffield and how we did well after 20 minutes yesterday. We lost both matches and are now farther into the mire.
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Post by andyl on Jan 17, 2016 11:34:08 GMT
Quite true.Dougie's set up was perfect for us. All he had to do was wait for us to lose possession upfield and with Ward to speed away they were bound to score.And yes Dougie's team just controlled the victory..
But In every game I've seen we have had phases of playing well. Our hopeless striking is demoralising of course but I really feel that this team well led with all its shortcomings could have gathered another 10 puts if set up more pragmatically. We shoot ourselves every week,every game.
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Post by andyl on Jan 17, 2016 11:34:58 GMT
And anyway if players make mistakes and don't learn whose job is it not to select them or to improve them?
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Post by davidm on Jan 17, 2016 11:40:04 GMT
Quite true.Dougie's set up was perfect for us. All he had to do was wait for us to lose possession upfield and with Ward to speed away they were bound to score.And yes Dougie's team just controlled the victory.. But In every game I've seen we have had phases of playing well. Our hopeless striking is demoralising of course but I really feel that this team well led with all its shortcomings could have gathered another 10 puts if set up more pragmatically. We shoot ourselves every week,every game. 100% agree
That's why this season is demoralising
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Post by OohMac on Jan 17, 2016 11:58:41 GMT
I just feel I've never seen a Bolton team look so poor from set pieces. Even Dougie knew this was key. So many games we won 1-0 with Dawson coming up from the back and heading home.
I said before I would like to see an OPTA stat of how many crosses fail to beat the first man or go looping with no pace, high, wide and not very handsome. I could find you a player on the local parks who can whip a ball in. Casado can do it but he for some reason is exiled again.
For me it says it all when Lawrie Wilson, who's reviews were always "steady if not brilliant" has ONE bad match and is treated ike a leaper after that. Vela also is the fall guy and Pratley can put in 4/10 performances every week. Dervite can cost us three goals in a match and they're not just in but are supposed to be the leaders of this team.
I think only injuries at this point will make Neil try something new. With Wheater out we really need to look at setting up a sweeper because I have no faith in Dervite and Prince. And that's against Eastliegh never mind the rest.
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Post by joanna on Jan 17, 2016 18:58:51 GMT
So, reading through the weekly despair on here, it seems that no player is thought consistent or good enough to be worthy of his place.
Just who would you guys retain, and who would you replace them with that you know (not "hope") will make a sustained difference in terms of quality?
At present, it appears to be a question of whose turn it will be next, to be on the receiving end of the flak.
We know that Andy will pencil in Trotter as first name on the team sheet, but that may not go down too well with those who do not rely on guide dogs. (Sorry, Andy, but you do come across as being like the soldier on parade who maintains that everyone is out of step except you).
We can take for granted that most will want to omit Madine, Feeney and Dervite but who will you choose to step up? Or are we suggesting that a different manager will transform the results and performances?
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Post by andyl on Jan 17, 2016 19:39:30 GMT
You may note,Joanna,that Lion of Vienna Suite made Trotter their highest marked player yesterday and BN 2nd equal. I had him second behind Feeney. I seriously doubt that any sensible spectator saw Trotter as a weak link yesterday. As I've said several times I get his lethargy and how it annoys fans. But he can kick,pass,dribble,tackle head and shoot. That stands him out somewhat in our midfield
Re the substantive I wouldn't go at it by picking players to drop. I'd select a team for an away game something like
Rachubka Vela Holding Derik Casado Pratley Davies Trotter, Spearing Moxey Woolery/Ameobi (if fit)
I'd use Feeney,Silva and Madine as impact subs and plan to put Madine plus one on at 60 mins if down or level or Feeney if ahead.
If Wheater were fit then he'd be ahead of Holding. If Clough were fit I just might go to a 4-2-3-1
And with this team I'd play deep ,avoid counter attacks,protect the inexperienced and makeshift defence and I'd work hard on set pieces for our goals but reckon that Feeney and Silva could create something as the game wore on. And had we done something like this all season I think we'd have had one or two wins and more draws on our travels
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Post by joanna on Jan 17, 2016 20:37:39 GMT
I see that you fail to mention the two absolute sitters that Trotter missed last week (one of them crucial)...... or are you counting the one that hit Madine and bounced in as a beautifully disguised pass from Mr. Tortoise? If that had been Feeney, you would have broadcast it loudly all over the forum. Trotter is so easily bypassed, meaning that Pratley has to all the legwork when he is short of form and confidence after his lay-off.
On a note of appeasement, I do agree about Dervite's lack of ability, but we lack pace all across the back four and each combination is easily skinned by even moderately nimble forwards, and certainly the two wide-men ploy needs ditching, though Feeney and Silva were a bit better on Saturday.
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Post by andyl on Jan 17, 2016 20:57:24 GMT
I just think away games certainly and some home probably are being lost with selections before we take the field. The fact that unprotected defenders then make errors is a consequence of selections as well as individuals' fault
Trotter and Pratley both dud lots of legwork yesterday. But the difference was that Trotter kept it until sure of a pass. Pratley would pass it back or hare off and lose it. He did some good ugly work when out of possession but Trotter bought us time.
The game however was already lost so all the above felt academic
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Post by davidm on Jan 17, 2016 21:31:31 GMT
I didn't go to Forest so can only comment based on commentaries and feedback.
There were many comments re improved form after the initial 20 minutes but I think that is irrelevant because we were playing a Dougie Freedman team who true to type would shut up shop once 2-0 up.
On Joanna's question re team/selection, we have been dreadful this season so what is the point in retaining the majority of the current failures?
I would ditch the centre back pairing (which is now forced on us by Wheater's injury). Dervite must go so let's try two of Prince, Derik and Holding. What's wrong with Pasano? So him and Casado as full backs. Vela, Davies, Spearing, Walker midfield. Two from Clough, Madine and Woolery up front. No airy-fairy wingers because it doesn't work.
I am looking for a squad that will give us a chance next season in Div 1 so also include Taylor, Threlkeld, White in squads.
We may as well give up on those players out of contract at the end of this season as we need a squad for next season
Anyone know who is out of contract?
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