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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 12, 2016 21:51:44 GMT
Well it was kind of going for us until Rotherham and our very own Bolton spoiled the party... Bristol City lost and so did Charlton but it matters not, we are shit and we're right where we ought to be!!! Going down with Charlton and Bristol Surely Clough doesn't want to be relegated with Bristol does he?
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Post by davidm on Jan 12, 2016 21:59:51 GMT
Now 6 points adrift. 18 if we go into administration.
Looking bad
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 12, 2016 22:08:37 GMT
Just seen the goals!! Dear oh dear Wheater & Amos amongst others!!
davidm: is it this season we take the 12 point hit if we do Admin?
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Post by andyl on Jan 12, 2016 22:09:09 GMT
Sounded like we played very well. Trotter apparently made a difference and Silva had a purple patch. But we missed chances,conceded a near post goal and were vulnerable to counter attack. They deployed subs before we did. It's all such a familiar mix. I wish we could set up more solidly and I wish also that we had a manager who just knew what to do when. But the points record suggests that we do not. And somehow our keeper has become very dodgy.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 12, 2016 22:12:12 GMT
Change of manager at Huddersfield and Rotherham worked wonders didn't it???
It is all Lennon's fault by the way cos he's shit and the players and formations chosen throughout this drastic season are all down to one man... Him Yes, we can miss the odd open goal here and there and players are to blame for that, but ultimately, Lennon has caused all of this cos he was out of his depth as was Freedman
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Post by davidm on Jan 12, 2016 22:12:22 GMT
Just seen the goals!! Dear oh dear Wheater & Amos amongst others!! davidm: is it this season we take the 12 point hit if we do Admin? Not 100% sure but I think the reduction is immediate, as long as it is before March when we go into administration. They brought some new rules when Leeds went into administration half an hour before the end of the season when they were already relegated so the points deduction meant nothing to them.
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Post by davidm on Jan 12, 2016 22:15:22 GMT
Sounded like we played very well. Trotter apparently made a difference and Silva had a purple patch. But we missed chances,conceded a near post goal and were vulnerable to counter attack. They deployed subs before we did. It's all such a familiar mix. I wish we could set up more solidly and I wish also that we had a manager who just knew what to do when. But the points record suggests that we do not. And somehow our keeper has become very dodgy. Have you seen the first goal Andy? Everyone raving about the shot from 30 yards but it went straight at Amos who couldn't react. The 2nd and and 3rd were down to slow cumbersome defending. I agree about the slowness of subs
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Post by OohMac on Jan 12, 2016 23:04:00 GMT
Just feel so detached at the moment we're fading fast and even without a point deduction we are still getting cut adrift.
Decent performances just go to show how bad Neil Lennon is as a manager, must be the worst away record by any manager in any league? Cannot learn from his mistakes. When you pick Dervite you forfeit the game for me.
Avoided the scores mainly tonight, saw it at 2-2 And checked at full time. Not surprised at all.
Just read the match report and they used all their subs before Clough came on. Dougie is on a streak of unbeaten runs at the moment too, after everything Neil did last year he's proven it to be fluke and that he really is the worst of the worst we've ever had.
Another 90 mins for Feeney was it?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 12, 2016 23:36:35 GMT
Fluke!!
I was going to say that Lennon was 'flukey' at Celtic but even that would give him too much credit in a terrible terrible league. He wasn't out of his depth at Celtic the expectancy from the supporters of thee worst league since the Unibond league must surely have been very very low for the SPL and even I'd look good managing there.
I'd just like someone to stop this rot, stand up to be counted and make some important radical decisions to help this desperate plight urgently, including relieving Lennon of his duties. He should have gone after that scandal in the red tops
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Post by realtrottersforever on Jan 13, 2016 0:21:19 GMT
84 & 88 mins for our subs, of all NL failings and there are many, his use of subs or more commonly the lack of must surely be the worst. What exactly does he expect them to do for 6 & 2 minutes? ?
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Post by modfishy on Jan 13, 2016 7:16:42 GMT
You're right you can blame the manager for the choices HE makes in selection but you can't blame him for poor ball control(defenders) and strikers missing sitters, these are supposedly professional, highly paid players. I do believe, however, he has a massive responsibility in training the team on how to create chances and how to organize defensively and I do agree this is where he is failing massively.
More news that Eddie has blocked the sale of Vela....more hope?? Bit sick of it all now and wish it would sort itself out one way or the other, this at the moment, is a very slow painful death!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 15:35:14 GMT
Just seen the goals!! Dear oh dear Wheater & Amos amongst others!! davidm: is it this season we take the 12 point hit if we do Admin? Not 100% sure but I think the reduction is immediate, as long as it is before March when we go into administration. They brought some new rules when Leeds went into administration half an hour before the end of the season when they were already relegated so the points deduction meant nothing to them. I think that the 12 point hit comes in at the start of next season seem to remember a couple of years ago some team started on -12 and by Christmas they were mid table , but cant be sure .
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Post by davidm on Jan 13, 2016 15:47:51 GMT
Not 100% sure but I think the reduction is immediate, as long as it is before March when we go into administration. They brought some new rules when Leeds went into administration half an hour before the end of the season when they were already relegated so the points deduction meant nothing to them. I think that the 12 point hit comes in at the start of next season seem to remember a couple of years ago some team started on -12 and by Christmas they were mid table , but cant be sure . I think the following should clear it up. In June 2015, the Football League changed it rules. The following is taken from the Football League’s own web page from June:- “ Clubs have approved changes to the League’s Insolvency Policy - under which it manages any club that suffers an insolvency event - with the aim of strengthening a number of its key principles, while maintaining a ‘rescue culture’ that gives clubs the opportunity to restructure their financial affairs and continue in league football.
Going forward, any club that goes into Administration will suffer an immediate 12 point Sporting Sanction, an increase on the current 10 point penalty.
Once appointed, the Administrator will be required to market the club for at least 21 days during which time he/she will be required to meet with the club's supporters’ trust and provide it with the opportunity to bid for the club.
The League has removed the requirement for the purchaser to achieve a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) meaning that it will transfer the club's share in The Football League to the Administrator's preferred bidder subject to their compliance with the League's other requirements. It is anticipated that this will reduce the insolvency period and the associated professional costs, as well as providing greater certainty that the club will continue, thereby delivering a greater return to creditors. It will also prevent the Administration process being controlled by the club’s previous owner who in some instances will be the only party able to achieve a CVA. Again, it is expected that this will deliver a better return for creditors by increasing the number of potential purchasers. On exit, the purchaser will be required to pay creditors a minimum of 35 pence in the pound over 3 years (or 25 pence on transfer of share) or face a further 15 point deduction at the start of the season following the insolvency event. Clubs also underlined their commitment to the use of the Football Creditors Rule which underpins the rescue culture principle by giving financially stricken clubs a second chance without unfairly disadvantaging their fellow clubs. The Football League’s Chief Executive, Shaun Harvey said: “The League has now gone two full seasons without a club suffering an insolvency event which is an encouraging sign. The use of Financial Fair Play regulations in all three divisions, the requirement for new owners to demonstrate the source and sufficiency of their funding and the ongoing monitoring of club’s tax affairs have helped us bring more stability to club finances. However, we cannot be complacent and this is the right time to strengthen our Insolvency Policy and also refine its effects, so that it is as fair as it can possibly be for clubs, creditors and supporters.” So if we go into administration soon, it will be a 12 point deduction for this season.
When we come out of administration, we must pay creditors a minimum of 35 pence in the pound over 3 years. If we can’t pay, we will get a further 15 point deduction at the start of the season following the insolvency event.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 15:48:45 GMT
I have just seen the goals and cant see owt wrong with first one as the camera work is poor , the second Feeney should have cut out and the third was a free kick to us for dangerous play bloke nearly took dave wheaters head off ,just spoken with my son-in-law who is a Wednesday fan eh was there and he agrees with what I say just added the point that any similarity between Trotter and a pro footballer is a pure coincidence
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 15:51:07 GMT
I think the following should clear it up. In June 2015, the Football League changed it rules. The following is taken from the Football League’s own web page from June:- “ Clubs have approved changes to the League’s Insolvency Policy - under which it manages any club that suffers an insolvency event - with the aim of strengthening a number of its key principles, while maintaining a ‘rescue culture’ that gives clubs the opportunity to restructure their financial affairs and continue in league football.
Going forward, any club that goes into Administration will suffer an immediate 12 point Sporting Sanction, an increase on the current 10 point penalty.
Once appointed, the Administrator will be required to market the club for at least 21 days during which time he/she will be required to meet with the club's supporters’ trust and provide it with the opportunity to bid for the club.
The League has removed the requirement for the purchaser to achieve a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) meaning that it will transfer the club's share in The Football League to the Administrator's preferred bidder subject to their compliance with the League's other requirements. It is anticipated that this will reduce the insolvency period and the associated professional costs, as well as providing greater certainty that the club will continue, thereby delivering a greater return to creditors. It will also prevent the Administration process being controlled by the club’s previous owner who in some instances will be the only party able to achieve a CVA. Again, it is expected that this will deliver a better return for creditors by increasing the number of potential purchasers. On exit, the purchaser will be required to pay creditors a minimum of 35 pence in the pound over 3 years (or 25 pence on transfer of share) or face a further 15 point deduction at the start of the season following the insolvency event. Clubs also underlined their commitment to the use of the Football Creditors Rule which underpins the rescue culture principle by giving financially stricken clubs a second chance without unfairly disadvantaging their fellow clubs. The Football League’s Chief Executive, Shaun Harvey said: “The League has now gone two full seasons without a club suffering an insolvency event which is an encouraging sign. The use of Financial Fair Play regulations in all three divisions, the requirement for new owners to demonstrate the source and sufficiency of their funding and the ongoing monitoring of club’s tax affairs have helped us bring more stability to club finances. However, we cannot be complacent and this is the right time to strengthen our Insolvency Policy and also refine its effects, so that it is as fair as it can possibly be for clubs, creditors and supporters.” So if we go into administration soon, it will be a 12 point deduction for this season.
When we come out of administration, we must pay creditors a minimum of 35 pence in the pound over 3 years. If we can’t pay, we will get a further 15 point deduction at the start of the season following the insolvency event. Well found that's cleared that up ,thanks .
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