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Post by andyl on Dec 20, 2015 16:37:41 GMT
Some of this would be survivable were we not bottom of the league. I'd like to think that he was able to maintain focus..but if the story is true and he was juggling time between team, media and three women well...
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Post by davidm on Dec 20, 2015 17:05:00 GMT
The official statement is that "the club are currently carrying out an internal investigation".
Then no further comment.
Could be ominous for Mr Lennon.
It just gets worse and worse.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 20, 2015 18:19:20 GMT
Now I know why Feeney has managed to get picked every week, he must have had incriminating photos
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Post by OohMac on Dec 20, 2015 18:36:36 GMT
Now I know why Feeney has managed to get picked every week, he must have had incriminating photos Was going to say exactly the same. And then finish with a cheap joke about Neil being the only one at the club who can score regularly but still can't keep clean sheets.
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Post by andyl on Dec 20, 2015 23:00:14 GMT
I do hope the club is in a state to deal with this properly. It should suspend Neil and conduct a swift enquiry which on the basis of factual evidence exonerates him,warns him or dismisses him. The Mirror story may be a tissue of lies. Let's hope so. If he is found to have misused finances or been absent when he should have been working he is vulnerable. Football clubs do not however always deal with such things prudently. We must wait and see
the suspension would be to protect him and the team. It's hard to see how he can prepare a team for Rotherham with this hanging over him and presumably unsettling his family life.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 20, 2015 23:12:05 GMT
Well time for Jimmy Phillips to step in then perhaps???
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Post by andyl on Dec 21, 2015 14:20:55 GMT
I think there are broadly two narratives of Neil's time with us:
A Neil is a good manager. He knows a lot about football and his preparation,selections, in game adjustments and substitutions are more or less correct. He makes a few mistakes but not many. He has been in an impossible position with sub strength players,no resources, kept in the dark and has been plagued by injuries and suspensions. We are 24th because of the overall context not Neil. We can see he's good because of his excellent start with us and his CV with Celtic. His off field indiscretions are sadly not uncommon and his business not ours. He has been focused at work but has personal problems that have no bearing on results
B. Neil has good managerial skills and made a superb start with us and was charismatic and immediately attractive to Bolton fans recently tortured by stultifyingly tedious managers.However as time has gone on he has made some capricious decisions and seems to be driven by emotion sometimes rather than intellectual assessment of the best tactics to adopt. He is a bit moody and seems to have exiled or ignored some players whilst continually picking others. He retreats into his mood and is slow to make tactical adjustments and substitutions. He hangs on to leads or draws without making changes hoping not be found out by opposition managers. This is four square with what is reported about his off field flirtations which have been driven by emotion and need rather than the exercise of good judgment. He has charmed people but has turned against them or become bored once the novelty has worn off. To a degree this may be reflected in the league position. He has been distracted from his managerial responsibilities and the honeymoon period has worn thin for him. He is in part responsible or our league position
Either? Which? A bit of both?Other?
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Post by OohMac on Dec 21, 2015 14:40:27 GMT
Well time for Jimmy Phillips to step in then perhaps??? When Freedman went Andy Hughes took the reign. For all we know Phillips has zero interest in managing Bolton. I've never heard him discuss it. I'm not anti Jimmy btw, at all, just saying. Don't know why we rushed the Freedman decision although i sceptically think it was something to with a kick back for Gartside
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 15:23:34 GMT
Well time for Jimmy Phillips to step in then perhaps??? When Freedman went Andy Hughes took the reign. For all we know Phillips has zero interest in managing Bolton. I've never heard him discuss it. I'm not anti Jimmy btw, at all, just saying. Don't know why we rushed the Freedman decision although i sceptically think it was something to with a kick back for Gartside Jimmy is often quoted as saying "not interested " when asked about the top job this on more than one occasion .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 15:26:32 GMT
I think there are broadly two narratives of Neil's time with us: A Neil is a good manager. He knows a lot about football and his preparation,selections, in game adjustments and substitutions are more or less correct. He makes a few mistakes but not many. He has been in an impossible position with sub strength players,no resources, kept in the dark and has been plagued by injuries and suspensions. We are 24th because of the overall context not Neil. We can see he's good because of his excellent start with us and his CV with Celtic. His off field indiscretions are sadly not uncommon and his business not ours. He has been focused at work but has personal problems that have no bearing on results B. Neil has good managerial skills and made a superb start with us and was charismatic and immediately attractive to Bolton fans recently tortured by stultifyingly tedious managers.However as time has gone on he has made some capricious decisions and seems to be driven by emotion sometimes rather than intellectual assessment of the best tactics to adopt. He is a bit moody and seems to have exiled or ignored some players whilst continually picking others. He retreats into his mood and is slow to make tactical adjustments and substitutions. He hangs on to leads or draws without making changes hoping not be found out by opposition managers. This is four square with what is reported about his off field flirtations which have been driven by emotion and need rather than the exercise of good judgment. He has charmed people but has turned against them or become bored once the novelty has worn off. To a degree this may be reflected in the league position. He has been distracted from his managerial responsibilities and the honeymoon period has worn thin for him. He is in part responsible or our league position Either? Which? A bit of both?Other? I tend to think B my self My Mrs hates him from day one says he has shifty eyes (womens logic) as for his cv with Celtic everybody does well there its a one horse race . well looks like Mrs was right from day one
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 21, 2015 22:27:52 GMT
I think you're selling NL's abilities and success at Celtic a bit short there owdonlad. Some of the players he brought in for peanuts and the fantastic results against Barca can't be overlooked surely. I think he's a good manager of quality players but struggles with players of little ability such as we have just now.
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Post by kazooki on Dec 22, 2015 0:44:59 GMT
I think you're selling NL's abilities and success at Celtic a bit short there owdonlad. Some of the players he brought in for peanuts and the fantastic results against Barca can't be overlooked surely. I think he's a good manager of quality players but struggles with players of little ability such as we have just now. He must be underselling his success at Celtic, it's not like Neil didn't bang on about it at every press conference for the first year with us is it? Now (if you believe the papers) he's knobbing young women and threatening to slit their throats if they tell his wife. I'm becoming apathetic, sick of the whole situation .. there was a time I would have bent over backwards to get to a home match .. especially one where my company is paying and I also get a free pie and pint! But this last weekend .. I had to take the cat to the vets, turns out there wasn't much wrong with the little fecker as well! It's like Groundhog Day every week, in general 8 out of 11 spots are taken and it's a guess who's gonna be partnering Wheater and Davies and who's gonna be up front on their own. We have a close share of the possession and more shots on goal and they have less shots on goal but more on target and usually score more. Anyway, the sooner this sorry situation is over the easier it will be for me to concentrate on the football. Why does it take 6 weeks to negotiate the sale of a club? How is Holdsworths offer so bad that ED is willing to lose everything by taking the club into Administration rather than sell it to him?
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Post by bonaparte on Dec 22, 2015 7:57:34 GMT
I think there are broadly two narratives of Neil's time with us:
A Neil is a good manager. He knows a lot about football and his preparation,selections, in game adjustments and substitutions are more or less correct. He makes a few mistakes but not many. He has been in an impossible position with sub strength players,no resources, kept in the dark and has been plagued by injuries and suspensions. We are 24th because of the overall context not Neil. We can see he's good because of his excellent start with us and his CV with Celtic. His off field indiscretions are sadly not uncommon and his business not ours. He has been focused at work but has personal problems that have no bearing on results
B. Neil has good managerial skills and made a superb start with us and was charismatic and immediately attractive to Bolton fans recently tortured by stultifyingly tedious managers.However as time has gone on he has made some capricious decisions and seems to be driven by emotion sometimes rather than intellectual assessment of the best tactics to adopt. He is a bit moody and seems to have exiled or ignored some players whilst continually picking others. He retreats into his mood and is slow to make tactical adjustments and substitutions. He hangs on to leads or draws without making changes hoping not be found out by opposition managers. This is four square with what is reported about his off field flirtations which have been driven by emotion and need rather than the exercise of good judgment. He has charmed people but has turned against them or become bored once the novelty has worn off. To a degree this may be reflected in the league position. He has been distracted from his managerial responsibilities and the honeymoon period has worn thin for him. He is in part responsible or our league position
Either? Which? A bit of both?Other?
More B than A for me.
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Post by andyl on Dec 22, 2015 18:47:00 GMT
New club statement.Matter dealt with internally.Neil remains in charge . We move on!
Thoughts?
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Post by one2many on Dec 22, 2015 20:03:15 GMT
Will Lennon be taking libel action against the Mirror? If not, we can assume that most of the story is probably true. One good thing about that is we now know that NL has at least 10k spare and shouldn't be too worried if he has to wait a while for this month's wages! Perhaps he can now channel his "alleged" aggression and passion into motivating our team to win a game sometime in the near future. How many games have we won in 2015? Have we reached double figures?
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