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Post by andyl on Nov 30, 2015 15:22:58 GMT
First team squad not being paid. Revised team?
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Post by andyl on Nov 30, 2015 17:45:05 GMT
May of course make no difference. Had anyway assumed Feeney was on a pay to play contract ?
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Post by OohMac on Nov 30, 2015 20:44:59 GMT
I'd like to pay him not to pay. All these injuries we have and Feeney stays fit game after game. He's been at his usual awful self tonight. Slow getting a ball in and he over hits every single pass. He puts as little pace on them as humanly possible sometimes I wonder if they'll make it to the box. Vela isn't helping him out as much this season which is a shame as he can cross a ball. I think he's just petrified of committing because we lose possession and they make two or three passes and we're split open. I would say that's a team with great quality but all our oppenents have done it so its more us having such a bad shape.
Another Sky match and another Dervite shocker. His hopeless punts forward are criminal and his defending is just awful.
Davies lucky to be on still and Vela was very lucky, I thought that was real sloppy for him.
I wonder if Darren Pratley will try and cut onto his right? Would imagine their right back has the measure of him already and will be confident in the 2nd half.
Lennon again tactically very poor doesn't look like they train at all. Its awful and worryingly its a massive improvement.
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Post by davojam on Nov 30, 2015 21:12:17 GMT
1-1 COYWM...
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Post by OohMac on Nov 30, 2015 21:53:04 GMT
Going direct paid off. Bad to see Clayton go off but really think that forced sub changed the game. We went two up top and got it forward to them and picked up the knock on after a really poor cross and scored. First goal in open play for 8 hours.
It wasn't pretty from us and they had so much more quality and we had some kamikaze defending at times.
I accused the players of letting Lennon down and not playing for him. I think the boots on the other foot. He was happy to slump in her chair at 1-0 and bemoan his luck again. Only got up when we scored. A few players were running on complete empty there and he had two subs to use but he can't be bothered. Very annoyed with him tonight. Think he knows he's gone, will probably walk if he doesn't get paid. When Clayton came off it seemed to be Garry Parker giving the instructions to the subs too and it took a good 3 minutes to make that sub.
Pretty sure Madine called him a prick too. Sign maybe that they don't play for Lennon.
If Lee Carsley can get a team playing like that, quick one touch football and killer passing then tell him to leave his CV behind. If he doesn't mind pro bono work that is.
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Post by andyl on Nov 30, 2015 22:32:43 GMT
My prediction of Neil's team was one out (see above) and became correct. No subs were used so we died in the final ten minutes and nearly lost the game to three pairs of fresh legs shrewdly utilised by Carsley
it was very much a case of same old, same old but I do think the players showed good spirit on a difficult day for them. I'd go further. I thought Vela,Davies, Ameobi, Danns and especially Casado played very well.
And it was a game we could have won.. Alas 5 or 6 players do not make a team and we struggled throughout against a team made to look better than they were.
Overall I felt the game underlined the need for a change of ownership and management. Pairing Dervite with Wheater was a failure especially when in the first half they were too close and too high up. Any counter attack Threatened them and their distribution was abysmal. It is surely obvious that Wheater needs a faster partner and one more capable of holding on to and passing the ball. Bad selection?
We had lots of corners. Casado did well with his but Feeney less so. Amazingly they seem to have practised using Dervite on the far post but he can't head a ball! Wheater who can stood still in mid battle. If using that tactic he should have tried Twardzik who is good in the air .
Pratley blundered around on the left and served only as a cul de sac for much of the match. Once on the right late on he was better and to be fair I thought he lasted the game out.
It was sad to see Clayton injured again. We must hope it was a knock and not the other cruciate ligament!. Neil opted to bring Madine on and yes he helped gather one or two aerial balls but he looked like a cart horse ready for the knacker's yard.
Feeney was routinely dire beginning both halves miscontrolling a ball into touch. He gave Vela more than one hospital pass and his crossing was poor . To be fair again he is so willing that he saw quite a lot of the ball and did move us forward well at times.
We we were really lucky that Danns scuffed his shot accurately and this rare sight-a goal lifted spirits for a while. Casado nearly looped one in quite brilliantly and Ameobi scuffed a close range sitter against the keeper.
In the end we took another step towards seemingly inevitable relegation. I don't see how under the current regime we can avoid it? tonight it took an excellent late save from Amos to save a point. Just as well he did this because his distribution was quite awful and he was really lucky that a couple of other parries did not lead to simple Tap ins. Neil looks quite demoralised. We lack numbers and quality but sadly also experienced leadership .
Amos 6 Vela 7 Wheater 5 Dervite 1 Casado 9 Davies 7 ( should have very good pass completion stats- stood out) Danns 7 Pratley 4 Ameobi 7 Clayton 3 Madine 2 Feeney 3
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Post by davidm on Nov 30, 2015 23:56:41 GMT
This is 100% relegation form.
I don't think that I have seen such a static team for years. We just stand still whilst the opposition pass and move around us and through us.
The quality of passing is abysmal - partly due to the fact that no-one ever moves into space to receive a pass. What do we do in training?
I have to disagree Andy with regard to Mark Davies. He plays so deep, he makes little impact on the game. He also initially contributed to Brentford's goal with a terrible pass to Casado. Casado was forced into passing back to Amos who kicked poorly and possession went to Brentford who with a couple of good passes and excellent movement ran straight past Davies and Danns, our two statuesque defensive midfielders to set up a fine shot from the edge of the area.
Meanwhile our attempts mainly petered out with Feeney messing up endless final balls and Pratley diving for imaginary free kicks or knocking over opponents for no reason. How many fouls did Pratley concede? Feeney usually contributes one, maybe two, decent passes in a game. His one good centre finished on the head of the worst header in the team, Dervite, who of course wasted it.
Second half, we had a good spell of 4 or 5 corners - credit Casado for decent delivery but we are not alive enough in the box to score. Ameobi shot straight at the keeper, a few scrambles occurred from which we scored one. I think Danns mishit his shot.
In the meantime Brentford endlessly caught us on the break and we could have easily conceded 3 or 4 - thanks to Amos for some excellent saves.
Overall, 2 more points dropped. Definitely relegation form.
Amos - 8 - 3 or 4 good saves. Distribution awful. Vela - 5 - a struggle. Caught out a few times and some wayward passing. Casado - 7 - pretty good. Some good defending and reasonable set plays. Dervite - 5 - so average. The worst passer of a ball in the team and the worst attacking header too. Wheater - 7 - Solid again but he and Dervite are not a partnership Danns - 5 - got the goal but so poor as a defensive midfielder. He just stands and watches opponents run past him. Marks space. Davies - 4 - sick of saying this but too deep. Terrible tackle in first half. Feeney - 4 - wasted too many balls. Some absolutely terrible passing. Pratley - 4 - headless chicken. He has reverted to his form of the season before last. Clayton - 4 - terrible luck with injury but before that, he contributed nothing. Amoebi - 5 - decent at holding the ball up but little danger attack wide. Madine - 4 - so slow
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Post by andyl on Dec 1, 2015 8:24:52 GMT
I just think that Mark Davies was running well off the ball and involved in all the passing. Ididn't see him misplace a pass. In the current context that's positive. I wasn't close enough to comment on the yellow or red card tackle but it led to a second half deterioration in his effectiveness. Without him we would have looked and been atrocious.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 1, 2015 8:44:30 GMT
Well I think one of the main things that calls NL's judgement into question, and there are many, is the fact that he thinks Mavies is one of the best midfielders in this division.
Yes, I agree with Andy, he hardly misplaced a pass, but that's not too difficult when your are passing it about 5yards and you are giving it back to who just gave it to you! And they weren't even passes that created anything, unlike Brentford's players, who played lovely little triangles around our players, gradually working their way up the pitch, he calls for the ball then immediately gives it back, runs sideways, calls for the ball again, gives it straight back, runs sideways, calls for the ball again, maybe changes who he gives it to again ad infinitum, going nowhere, creating nothing. I can only remember one run, with the ball, of any note in the first half, when he eventually ran into a dead end.
He was more evident in the first half when we were creating nothing, whereas in the second half, when we were more in the ascendancy he pretty much disappeared from the game.
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Post by andyl on Dec 1, 2015 9:38:06 GMT
I see all of that but we need any kind of passing to build momentum. Anyway surely Dervite Feeney and Madine were more obvious targets of our ire? And Neil L?
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Post by bonaparte on Dec 1, 2015 9:38:33 GMT
They looked like a group of players who had just met before kick off and had a chat about who does what. No one seemed aware of the opposition players who consequently had acres of space to pass and move. There seemed a lack of energy and will to win, and certainly no wish to close the opposition down or to receive the ball from throw ins. What do they do in training? Relegation, relegation Mr Lennon has lost the plot.
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Post by andyl on Dec 1, 2015 9:45:00 GMT
Good point re throw ins!
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 1, 2015 15:22:41 GMT
I see all of that but we need any kind of passing to build momentum. Anyway surely Dervite Feeney and Madine were more obvious targets of our ire? And Neil L? Absolutely andyl, and I have said plenty against Dervite and Feeney in the past and yes I don't see what he sees in them either, the only difference being that somehow Feeney is our top scorer (I think) and when he scored the penalty the other week I said then that that was his place secured for the next month at least. As for Dervite I think not that long ago I compared him to Zat Knight, so that's what i think of him as a defender. enough said on that. As for Madine a poorer excuse for a striker I can't think of. I regularly catch games from the Welsh premier League on S4C and there are some good players in that league and there are some cracking goals scored every week. I know it's a lower (supposedly) standard than ours but can anyone be of lower quality than any of our strikers? As for NL I am fast losing patience with him, he is almost making DF look good, and it just goes to show that just because you win things with Celtic it doesn't make you a good manager.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 1, 2015 20:37:58 GMT
The Bolton News confirmed what I thought and Madine did call Lennon a prick! Not sure if that says more about Madine than Lennon, obviously a striker is allowed a shot every now and then and he hasn't been getting huge amount of service. Had that been Wayne Rooney, Diego Costa or Harry Kane a few weeks ago i.e strikers struggling for confidence i'm not sure we'd have seen their managers on the touchline berating them! Yes it was a very woeful effort but Neil Danns had two in each half equally as bad from better positions. Where was Lennon then? No, thought not. Thats one of his faves.
Where was Lennon when Feeney hit awful cross after cross or Dervite punted another one forward for a goal kick or to the arms of the keeper.
Josh Vela has a poor game at Boro and was publicly shamed and dropped. Wilson has a bad game at Huddersfield and was likewise blasted publicly and exiled completely. Walker has a poor game at Forest and never to be seen again. Spearing is thrown in and dragged out just as quickly if he doesn't dominate games. Derick too.
Others can do whatever they like and get a "well done son". Main crisism of Feeney is that he doesn't know how to hit a ball properly - i'm not joking, There was a point when he just needed to flick the ball onto Ameobi and he put so little pace on it that his intended through ball turned into a ball where Ameobi had to turn back and pick it up. Again, what do they do in training all day? Must be able to give Owen Coyles Table Tennis champions a run for their money?
There was a point when we had a throw in, decent chance and the ball never got thrown for a good 90 seconds. Waiting for a runner that never came and why did Feeney start taking corners after Casado did a good job of whipping some in and even played one short and got a great chance of it.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 1, 2015 21:37:37 GMT
Can believe that no one on here has mentioned the pathetic delays in getting a sub on when Clayton was lying down injured. We must have been down to 10 men for 4 minutes when we were 1-0 down and playing what can only be described as thee worst ever football played on that ReeMac turf. When the club is sold can we not sell the players as well? I'd rather watch another hotel being built in the centre circle than watch that bunch of shit. Cardiff must be relishing their trip to ours this Saturday and only the eternal optimist would predict us to take a point at the very least. I'll say we're in for a 4 nil hiding on that performance. Can't believe also that some on here went beyond 4 points for player performances, I'm sure there's quite a few of you, like me that actually sat in the cold and watched that garbage rather than see the game on Sky? You'll have seen the stagnant lack of movement and isolation of the majority of players, there was just no decent penetration of their defence, no togetherness, nothing to sparkle and ignite the crowd. We definitely made them look better than they were and from what I saw, apart from Amos keeping us in the game (awful distribution) I couldn't offer more than 2 points per person and that's being generous. Don't get me started on Feeney and Dervite cos they quite simply are stealing a living I kept a watchful eye on Lee Carsley and Lennon and although not overly excitable, Carsley stood in the Tech area all of the game, Lennon, looking resigned to failure, popped his head out once or twice, but that substitute delay was just totally unprofessional. Rant done with but it now looks seriously grim at our beloved BWFC and I've had stick all day from a Bury, Wigan, Blackburn and Burnley fan... Not good
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