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Post by andyl on Aug 28, 2015 20:50:29 GMT
That looked dire. Why no time for Dobbie? So Madine and Dervite have been our best players? On TV admittedly I thought they were the worst tonight. Dervite's passing is terrible. More generally he is too slow.
If looking for good things to say I thought Amos was so calm and organising. Mark Davies had a good game. So, I thought did Feeney. And Moxey made some good challenges to
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Post by one2many on Aug 28, 2015 20:52:43 GMT
What a load of rubbish. Both teams look poor. Our defense looked good, but how much pressure were they under? Not a lot really. Amos looks sound. Clough and Davies some nice touches but nothing incisive. Goal machine Madine, don't make me laugh. Sky sports will regret choosing that game for sure.
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Post by OohMac on Aug 28, 2015 20:59:57 GMT
Second half was a tad better to be honest. When Mark Davies gets in the game they look good, but they can't seem to get him in the match.
Prince was much better second half, as was Moxey. Dervite has actually put in some good performances and then ruins it at the end. Although I think the referee was so keen on getting the cards out tonight. Moxey and Hanleys tackles were the only bookable ones and yet 1 red and 9 yellows?
We actually had 65% possession at one point but oddly at this point Blackburn had two of their best attempts in this period.
We cannot expect to win games creating so little. Why Neil Lennon has tired legs on for 95 mins when we have a bench of real quality continues to baffle. Neil Danns I thought had a very good game but at the end his legs had gone, his timing off. Spearing, Vela?
Gary and Zack on paper looked a dream ticket pre-season but now it just isn't working and doesn't look like it will. I'm glad that Neil is willing to stick with them and give them more time. But god knows how they both played 95 mins tonight. Gary Madine shrunk in stature tonight. But they have three or four giants in there, played direct put some quality in the box and we did well to come away with a point.
4 days left....Striker please.
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 28, 2015 21:01:55 GMT
Two teams totally lacking in confidence but is it just me that thinks we have the attacking potential with Davies, Clough and Silva if we attack defences instead of going sideways?. Sadly we have no cutting edge and how disappointing was it to see Madine pass instead of shoot in the first half? What an opportunity squandered. We have no chance of signing a striker given the financial situation so we have to hope that either Clayton or one of the younger players can do the job. If only we could find that spark somewhere. That said I do think we're physically lightweight and were second in every ball tonight. Certainly that's something NL needs to address. Oh well it's another point and clean sheet at least.
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Post by OohMac on Aug 28, 2015 21:40:13 GMT
No leaders no guts no fight no urgency no creativity no attack n absolutely no clue ! We're a bottom half team guys no doubt about it Always see the game differently but I can't agree with that. On most points yes; no attack, creativity leadership and even clue in some parts but there's definitely a fight in this team. They don't lie down. They're playing above their levels in most cases, I can't knock that effort-for most.
Ratings
Amos 7
Wilson 6 (Could have docked him 3 points if they'd have scored from that stupid free kick at the end)
Dervite 5 (atoned for Bournemouth horrow show recently, then this. See above. Gives Derick a chance to come in and stake a claim now)
Moxey 6 (Steadied the ship after a rocky start. Can't help but respect him. Doing his best.
Prince 7 (Probably went into half time on a 4 but got his head together and looked a lot more solid)
Danns 7 (Good tonight, got stuck in but offered little going forward. Tired towards the end)
Davies 6 (Did everything ok but not in the game enough, or in the areas we need him to be)
Feeney 5 Every cross went safetly and softly into the keepers arms...and yet not his worst game. By far.
Silva 5 – Needs to learn that cutting back every single time will get predictable. Poor end product in set pieces and open play.
Clough 4 – Another game that looked like men vs boy. Just not doing enough to justify 45 never mind 95 minutes.
Madine 3 – Was more a threat for them than us. Very poor game, confidence is tellingly low.
Heskey – 6
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Post by andyl on Aug 29, 2015 6:07:47 GMT
We cannot be bottom of the league tonight but we will be last but one unless one of two teams above us lose heavily
I wasn't at the game but broadly agree with ooom..Lots of fight but a real lack of ability on view save for Amos and Mark D--and even he not in the mix where it matters
The team is worse this year than last? We were losing last year and late on but we could always blame Freedman. It's surely now clear that in terms of selections and on field effects there is little to distinguish managers apart..Other than NL hasn't attracted the criticisms that his predecessor did
Just at present he is being outmanoeuvred in terms of substitutions. Again last night too late to act. Why Dobbie got no game time is a mystery as is the continuing deselection of Spearing and Vela- for the entirety of games
There is no current prospect of avoiding relegation because we won't shoot and can't score. Of course it can turn round..but who of us will confidently predict said turnround on current showing
On TV that game was dull in the extreme,wasn't it? Does Neil really think we played well? Fought well, maybe.
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on Aug 29, 2015 7:18:11 GMT
Ooooooomacron, where's the fight? We were completely out-tackled all night and every player looked scared too death going into a 50/50 challenge.
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Post by spanishjonny on Aug 29, 2015 10:06:49 GMT
I went, even game , Heskey had best chance to score and should have smashed it. For a bunch of free transfers and rejects we're doing ok, 100% effort from all the players I know it's obvious but we have'nt got a STRIKER and there lies the problem Madine was battered by Hanley & co and we can't expect him to play the lone striker, win the ball, and then have enough left to score the goal as well. Clough showed a bit more but can't play " the 1" in a 4-4-1-1, Lennon needs to find a better formation to utilise both Clough and Mavies, a diamond perhaps If we get Pratley in instead of Danns and a STRIKER on loan we could move upwards, it's early days yet, we need to look at the positives
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Post by davidm on Aug 29, 2015 11:17:23 GMT
I went, even game , Heskey had best chance to score and should have smashed it. For a bunch of free transfers and rejects we're doing ok, 100% effort from all the players I know it's obvious but we have'nt got a STRIKER and there lies the problem Madine was battered by Hanley & co and we can't expect him to play the lone striker, win the ball, and then have enough left to score the goal as well. Clough showed a bit more but can't play " the 1" in a 4-4-1-1, Lennon needs to find a better formation to utilise both Clough and Mavies, a diamond perhaps If we get Pratley in instead of Danns and a STRIKER on loan we could move upwards, it's early days yet, we need to look at the positives It was a dire match last night but I do take on board some of the positive points. My major concern is ball-retention. We need to be able to keep hold of the ball. We had 54% possession last night and that figure seems to contradict my point but we never really had confident possession of the ball. Mark Davies and Zach Clough did a few good dribbles but most of the time when we got the ball, we just could not hold on to it for any period of time. It was a case of either a bad pass (numerous from Dervite) giving away possession, being tackled out of it (Feeney notably) or Madine being unable to take the ball (often a high ball) and control it. Until we can do this, we are not going to create much and, therefore, as proved so far not get sight of goal. One shot on target is pathetic in any match.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Aug 29, 2015 13:35:20 GMT
If there's a transfer window for managers we could send Neil Lennon out on an emergency loan to, say, Burton Albion and then we could loan in Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink for a few games!!! Just to get us away from the drop zone and into the play offs. Sorry to sound so drastic but my love for him is wilting by the game.. This is all Neil Lennon now and before I'm castigated for this, Rioch, Todd, Megson and BSA fared better in the loan market and managed to get the best out of the players they brought in, apart from the odd shocker from Megson We are all aware of our financial position, crickey, we've had it rammed down our throats long enough, but the playing style and our lack of points, perilous position is down to one man and those back room boys Mjalby and Parker. I've just seen Leeds take Derby apartat the iPro and looked good value for it, something we couldn't manage. I'm always willing NL to succeed but seriously, finances aside, this is not good
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Post by OohMac on Aug 29, 2015 21:38:39 GMT
If there's a transfer window for managers we could send Neil Lennon out on an emergency loan to, say, Burton Albion and then we could loan in Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink for a few games!!! Just to get us away from the drop zone and into the play offs. Sorry to sound so drastic but my love for him is wilting by the game.. This is all Neil Lennon now and before I'm castigated for this, Rioch, Todd, Megson and BSA fared better in the loan market and managed to get the best out of the players they brought in, apart from the odd shocker from Megson We are all aware of our financial position, crickey, we've had it rammed down our throats long enough, but the playing style and our lack of points, perilous position is down to one man and those back room boys Mjalby and Parker. I've just seen Leeds take Derby apartat the iPro and looked good value for it, something we couldn't manage. I'm always willing NL to succeed but seriously, finances aside, this is not good Oh come on now. Even when times were tough for Dougie he still got Spearing plus any loan player he really wanted. Lennon had to blow on the ink of Reams contract to hurry it up and make sure it dried before we could even bring Silva ON LOAN in. His one in, one out promise saw us lose 2 keepers, a captain, leading scorer and 8 or 9 others before he was allowed to bring in Madine - released from Strangeways/Blackpool in the same season and Wilson. Not denying it isn't great. We have no flair player, no one looks like they're capable of beating a player. They don't get to the byline and they don't pass the ball well. I'll agree the are things Lennon should be doing better. Looking to change a game with some subs, he's slow to see where things aren't working. I can't believe a man of his temperament and passion can ever see eye to eye with Gartside either. Again, come on. We give a very decent fight. We were up against a very strong, tall albeit limited side. It amazed me when I saw how tall Duffy was when compared to Heskey when he was marking him. I've seen sides go down 7-1 at Reading, 4-1 at Ewood and these were meant to be "Premiership" players. This back 4 has miles more fight than those guys who earned 4 or 5 times as much as them. Aside from Boro, which I blame Neil Lennon for completely, we've played 4 league games and conceded twice. That for me is the foundation that we must build on plus the guy who makes us tick is Darren Pratley. With him as No 10 i'm sure we will look miles more threatening.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 9:49:11 GMT
If there's a transfer window for managers we could send Neil Lennon out on an emergency loan to, say, Burton Albion and then we could loan in Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink for a few games!!! Just to get us away from the drop zone and into the play offs. Sorry to sound so drastic but my love for him is wilting by the game.. This is all Neil Lennon now and before I'm castigated for this, Rioch, Todd, Megson and BSA fared better in the loan market and managed to get the best out of the players they brought in, apart from the odd shocker from Megson We are all aware of our financial position, crickey, we've had it rammed down our throats long enough, but the playing style and our lack of points, perilous position is down to one man and those back room boys Mjalby and Parker. I've just seen Leeds take Derby apartat the iPro and looked good value for it, something we couldn't manage. I'm always willing NL to succeed but seriously, finances aside, this is not good agree with most of what you say Rioch , I said 12 months ago this lad was on a steep learning curve and I think he still is , the same mistakes over and over again , when the team needs a goal the last player to bring on is Heskey (missed a sitter for me ) but time after time he does just that . The one thing I have in respite is I can always take my disabled mate to see his favourite Fleetwood town (as long as I can afford Mrs market shopping) just may become a regular at highbury who knows >
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Post by riochforthereebok on Aug 30, 2015 18:02:01 GMT
If there's a transfer window for managers we could send Neil Lennon out on an emergency loan to, say, Burton Albion and then we could loan in Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink for a few games!!! Just to get us away from the drop zone and into the play offs. Sorry to sound so drastic but my love for him is wilting by the game.. This is all Neil Lennon now and before I'm castigated for this, Rioch, Todd, Megson and BSA fared better in the loan market and managed to get the best out of the players they brought in, apart from the odd shocker from Megson We are all aware of our financial position, crickey, we've had it rammed down our throats long enough, but the playing style and our lack of points, perilous position is down to one man and those back room boys Mjalby and Parker. I've just seen Leeds take Derby apartat the iPro and looked good value for it, something we couldn't manage. I'm always willing NL to succeed but seriously, finances aside, this is not good Oh come on now. Even when times were tough for Dougie he still got Spearing plus any loan player he really wanted. Lennon had to blow on the ink of Reams contract to hurry it up and make sure it dried before we could even bring Silva ON LOAN in. His one in, one out promise saw us lose 2 keepers, a captain, leading scorer and 8 or 9 others before he was allowed to bring in Madine - released from Strangeways/Blackpool in the same season and Wilson. Not denying it isn't great. We have no flair player, no one looks like they're capable of beating a player. They don't get to the byline and they don't pass the ball well. I'll agree the are things Lennon should be doing better. Looking to change a game with some subs, he's slow to see where things aren't working. I can't believe a man of his temperament and passion can ever see eye to eye with Gartside either. Again, come on. We give a very decent fight. We were up against a very strong, tall albeit limited side. It amazed me when I saw how tall Duffy was when compared to Heskey when he was marking him. I've seen sides go down 7-1 at Reading, 4-1 at Ewood and these were meant to be "Premiership" players. This back 4 has miles more fight than those guys who earned 4 or 5 times as much as them. Aside from Boro, which I blame Neil Lennon for completely, we've played 4 league games and conceded twice. That for me is the foundation that we must build on plus the guy who makes us tick is Darren Pratley. With him as No 10 i'm sure we will look miles more threatening. I do respect a thought provoking response OoMac and you've certainly done that here so thanks for that, but never in a very long time have I been so uninspired by the playing staff since the days of Crombie, Henshaw, Winstanley, Morgan (Trevor not Willie), Savage (fat one not blond poof), Comstive (RiP), JT, Walsh, Felgate. Although, all of the aforementioned names at least did their best to put a shift in, they were definitely suited to division &3 back in the 80's, the difference being that the current bunch may appear to do some of the same, their qualities are such that they are not fit for the Championship and they will not prevent us dropping a league on current performances, regardless of the 'gritty' (drab) draws V Derby and the Dingles
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Post by natfan on Aug 31, 2015 11:02:05 GMT
Ooooooomacron, where's the fight? We were completely out-tackled all night and every player looked scared too death going into a 50/50 challenge. Of course they were scared to death, every time they made anything approaching a robust challenge they were booked! They were not scared of the Blackburn players and kept on taking a battering with no protection whatever from the ref. I am still amazed that he did not let the Blackburn offside 'goal' stand! I'm with Oomacron I think Lennon has assembled a better side than his financial constraints warrant and is getting performances out of players like Moxey (very poor since he arrived until this year) and Dervite (very inconsistent in the past) that make up for the inability to bring in new players. The ones he has brought in all improve the side. He has learnt from is mistakes at Middlesborough but I cannot understand why he did not bring on (for the sake of argument) Dobbie (our only goal scorer this season) for Clough at some stage and Vela for Danns who was running on empty for the last ten minutes of a very good performance at Blackburn. As for Heskey's chance, I agree with the spectator just behind me (we were on the third row behind the goal) who asked plaintively: 'Where the **** did that defender come from'. It was a brilliant reflexive clearance of a well executed shot.
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Post by whitesince63 on Aug 31, 2015 16:37:22 GMT
Sorry naftan but I completely agree with OM that we were just bullied out of it by a bigger, stronger team, just like we used to do to teams with BSA's outfits. We're incredibly lightweight and are going to have to address that rather than blame the ref and by the way it was the linesman who called the offside not the ref. I've been really disappointed in Madine so far, I thought he would be more physical but he looked very lightweight against Rovers back line. His head seems to have gone down already so unless he gets it back up he's not worth his place for me and I really don't see why Dobbie didn't replace him at the end.
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