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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on Aug 16, 2015 13:33:14 GMT
Can you get a new chairman for 1.75m?
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Post by andyl on Aug 16, 2015 14:18:19 GMT
Derby and Boro:- before these two games, how many of us would have been happy with a single point? Most of us, presumably. And, if we'd predicted that we would have been the better side and actually deserved to win in one of these games against promotion favourites, how many would have thought that prediction rash? Yes, even the performance against Derby was better than we dared to hope for. Yet, a week later, the knives are out even though NL has taken responsibility, admitted he got the tactics wrong and "it won't happen again". By all accounts, Boro were awesome in the first 45, playing prem standard football. They have cash; we do not. The Burton match was an aberration won by a fluke deflection after we dominated. So after just two weeks, the fans' reaction is unduly speedy and miserably churlish. As said previously on the site, we seem to want to castigate some perceived "villains" at the earliest opportunity, whilst protecting individual posters' favourites, often quite unreasonably. Too many "fans" are just looking to find fault. Of course, I agree that Lennon got it wrong yesterday. Personally, I think that attack is the best form of defence, especially with the defenders at our disposal.....which is why I'd have been happy to see the trial period under Jimmy Phillips be given more time and why I loathed the DF period. But Spanishjohnny is right: such critical over-reaction does nobody and nothing any good at this early stage of the season. NL has very little leeway with the team selection, given the injuries we've already sustained. I think he will get the tactics right and learn from errors. We need all our crocks back and to spend the Ream money on our most glaring weaknesses.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Aug 16, 2015 14:19:41 GMT
Can you get a new chairman for 1.75m? At £750k per year, you could give them a 2 year contract and still have change AND whoever it be, would do a far better job than Darkshite Joanna I guess one of your arrows was aimed at me with my negativity towards NL ED & PG and probably justly so, but I'm just showing my passion for wanting the best for my beloved team, which I have every right to. I'd truly love nothing more than NL to turn this 5hit around and it is 5hit, make no mistake, I have far more respect for him than I ever had for DF but with the business model in such fragile instability, I just wish that ED could hand over the reigns to some true footballing people, rich people of course, who could share NL's eagerness to prove that his Celtic triumphs were not just because they were in a one team league and that he is a decent footballing manager, which I believe he is.
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Post by andyl on Aug 16, 2015 14:32:09 GMT
I agree that an assessment of our situation requires greater context. I'm less inclined after the pre-season to ascribe the Burton defeat to an aberration. It may have been a par performance and I wonder if those thinking of a Burton victory ahead of time would be as rash as those of a BWFC Riverside triumph or more realistic?
There is more that can be said of context. And NL cannot be judged on one set of mistakes . And he has said it won't happen again ( as indeed he did last year after Forest away but also as did Freedman more than once)
If I led with this in mid last season and it was queried it must be obvious to all and sundry now ( unless there are stats to refute the perception) that Neil rotates/changes/alternates ( whatever the word) his playing staff quite capriciously..and indeed far more than Freedman ever did or Coyle ever did, whatever the former said or was perceived to do!predicting our starting team is only marginally easier than predicting Lotto winners? But this is not necessarily a bad thing, is it? A good manager will surprise and confound and vary tactics and formations. I'm all for it actually.
I think that what is established already is that certain players are nowhere near good enough to succeed over a season in this league..and I don't see what Neil can do about that other than omit them and get or develop others. If we lose through youth and inexperience against the likes of Middlesbro, personally I'm OK with it. If we lose parading Dervite, Feeney,Danns and relying on Emile upfront for a whole game, I'm less happy.
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on Aug 16, 2015 16:35:03 GMT
Well.... On the bright side, we have a 'local derby' against Mk Dons on Tuesday and then comes the visit of our former legend ! Let's welcome Dougie with open arse !! We love u dougie ! Welcome home !!
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Post by joanna on Aug 16, 2015 16:37:05 GMT
I've just looked back at the predictions made by posters before the Derby game:-they were 0-3, 1-4, 0-3, 1-2, 0-4. Trotter predicted a 2-1 win for us, and a couple hoped for a draw. The result was, of course, 0-0 and we hit the woodwork 3 times.
After the game, these were comments made on the site:- "the defence was very steady and assured"; "the manager chose the right tactics"; there was general praise for the defenders, including moderate encouragement for Dervite who NL said was our best player and had been all pre-season.
Now, just 7 or 8 days later, and an expected loss to the wealthy promotion favourites, posters are baying for blood, with condemnation of the team and tactics, singling out Dervite, (and Feeney and Danns), without any suggestion of who might have played in their places. Those calling for youth might note that Holding was chosen and was evidently totally out of his depth. Can all of the players and staff have gone from excellent to appalling in one week? Time for some perspective and less hysteria.
You see my point about negativity and having "favourites" to hate. We seem to delight in finding fault when support is needed and before there is sufficient evidence to convict a man.
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Post by andyl on Aug 16, 2015 17:55:59 GMT
Taking points in order : That Neil praised Dervite post Derby is more worrying than Dervite's performance. He made three bad first half errors and all but conceded a needless penalty. Neil should see these things in my opinion
Dervite was awful v Middlesbro. Highlights show horrible misjudgements on goal 2 especially but also 3. I believe that he was poor throughout and apparently Amos gave him a fierce rollicking at one point
Re who might have played ;Wilson Prince, Holding, Moxey or perhaps Vela for Wilson or Thrlkeld or Taylor. Would they win this in a back four?Probably not. But I'd prefer to see it. In due course I assume Wheater and Osede will push Dervite down to third or fourth choice CB.
They weren't all excellent v Derby. Feeney and Danns were especially nondescript. In terms of who might take their places- Spearing and Medo are both better than Danns . Vela was left out v Derby. At Middlesbro Spearing was subbed before Danns. On your logic of form the week before and in Spearing's case untarnished by Burton you would presumably argue that Danns should have been the preferred hook. LoV suite thought so
Holding out of his depth. Not bothered re that. Threlkeld was out of depth at Norwich Their time can come and if we are going to lose better with them
Yes I don't rate Feeney. But it's not just me, is it. His stats are poor and others(rtf recently on here )and others over time have railed at him. Millwall dropped him! . I don't think he could hold down a place in a conference side. But he is at least consistent- consistently sub- standard.. In terms of his conviction I doubt we would need Henry Fonda to turn the jury and even Alicia Florick could not defend him. He's going down. I just hope that he doesn't take the team down with him. I'm not sure that etymologically one can quite hate a favourite. But one promise.. If I think he has played well I will say so!
Yes you have a point re early negativity but the alternative could be bland generalised support- Negativity can be creative. Personally I don't like player ratings liberally spreading 5 plus marks for all and sundry. It's uninteresting and no fun. But if you are in a warm, friendly, positive, supportive mode, Joanna, well good on you.. But let's see how it lasts. I claim no such equanimity
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Post by OohMac on Aug 16, 2015 18:25:36 GMT
Well.... On the bright side, we have a 'local derby' against Mk Dons on Tuesday You'll have to explain this one to me i'm afraid BWFCTID. Marc Iles handing out 4 and 5's this week. Wonders never cease. He even said Feeney, not good enough. He then also went on to reflect again on this "Magic moment – Albert Adomah was waiting to come back on to the field of play after losing his boot. The referee took an age to signal him back on, at which point the Gambian winger pretended to be asleep on the touchline!" Wound me up on Saturday and he's still loving the bants now. I see Joannas point, definitely. We're on par with Cheslea this season. A home draw and 3-0 away defeat against one of the favourites. It Chelsea supporters were so fast to heavily criticise Jose we would dismiss it and say its ridiculous. (Actually just like us they could have been 5 down after 30 mins too) How I see it is that Dervite, Moxey, Spearing, Danns, Feeney are not good enough to start for us. You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time. These players may have the occasional decent game but they're no where near consistent enough. So we have a choice of putting in the younger players and this could lead to more drubbings. Its nothing personal, the only player I've really ever had a real dislike for was Zat Knight. I think they all work hard and give their best. I'm not a boo boy but if I saw these names of the team sheet I would feel a lot more positive. But its a tough job relying on kids for half the places and then loanees/freebies for the other half.
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Post by BWFCTILIDIE on Aug 16, 2015 19:40:04 GMT
Just a dig at the fixtures macron. Being sent from far north boro to far bloody south Milton dons in 3 days ??!! Who decided that stupid idea ?
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Post by andyl on Aug 18, 2015 7:16:21 GMT
On reflection I really don't like the notion purveyed here and also by NL that Middlesbro were expected to win and it was no surprise. If we'd taken that view under Sam and Megson we'd never have lasted as long in the top flight as we did. Most of the time we gave games to Man. Utd, Chelsea, City and Liverpool and on occasion won or Drew.
Now in The Championship I decline to believe that Middlesbro outgun us by as much as those mentioned once did.
And we held on there last season late on and only lost the previous year when Jermaine B missed a penalty, didn't we
No. NL's teams have now been swamped early on by Forest, Derby, Middlesbro and most galling of all Rotherham when our three were run ragged and our midfield failed to engage. It of course happened to Freedman at Reading. And Coyle at Wembley. It even happened once or twice to more respected predecessors eg at Southend and Sheffield Wed for those with longer memories.
In one off circumstances in the past we have oftener bounced back. And under Neil we have fared better at home to date. But dispiriting first half collapses have been a feature of his short tenure.. And they need to stop.
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